Cholinergic Urticaria and Diet, IBS, Food Allergies, and Digestive System
Post by: Newear2006 on October 27, 2008, 02:44:08 AM
I just wanted to know everybody’s opinion on this and compare with mine.
I have a terrible digestive system off late. It is definately related to the hives as I eat pretty healthy home cooked food exclusively. I have a griping sensation in the lower abdominal area and mostly full on IBS type symptoms ie. Need to go to the john everytime I eat something.
I was having a hard enough time with Cholinergic Urticaria now this is driving me insane! I feel very low energy all the time and extremely tired, the hives have also come back full force, and even gentle yoga is getting difficult to do.
The absolute lack of physical movement is definately going to cause other stuff to happen, like diabetes, I reckon, I am starting new homeopathy meds soon I will keep you all updated.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: HivesGuy on October 27, 2008, 07:33:55 AM
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Hello Newear2006,
I can definitely relate to the severe stomach symptoms you are describing. My digestive system was getting so bad there for a while, I thought I might have an ulcer or H. pylori infection or something.
My stomach was bloated all the time (and I am a skinny guy). I would get severe stomach cramps when I needed to use the bathroom (the type of cramps that make the hairs on your skin raise up). My stomach was in terrible shape.
I even made an appointment and had some tests run on me (they just did a cbc blood test and h pylori test). I didn’t have H. Pylori, and they didn’t suspect any type of ulcer either.
Anyways, I eventually realized that milk was what was killing my stomach. I guess it is a lactose intolerance thing (I am not really sure if it is some kind of intolerance or allergy or what), but after I completely removed dairy from my diet (butter, ice cream, milk, foods with milk ingredients), the cramps and bloating quit after about a week.
I also removed gluten since I am on this diet to see if it helps Cholinergic Urticaria. But so far the hives haven’t went away. However, my digestion is back to normal. My stomach never aches or cramps, I am never bloated anymore, and my stomach just feels better in general.
I would suggest you keep a close eye on the foods you eat. You said you eat home cooked foods, I would take a look at what you eat or drink. It could be a food intolerance or allergy causing the issue (milk, fish, nuts, seafood, gluten/wheat, etc.). Those are the common food allergies.
If you don’t get better, you may want to make a doctor’s appointment or an appointment with an allergy specialists, or gastrointestinal doctor to see if there is anything else that could be causing the issues.
Hope you get better!
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: Newear2006 on October 27, 2008, 09:50:41 AM
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I spoke with a dermatologist and he told me that the massive histamine dump being caused by Cholinergic Urticaria, will have gastro-intestinal symptoms as well. Anti-histamines makes me feel like a zombie so, I avoid ’em as much as possible, not that they help too much anyway.
I am also skinny and I feel bloated as well but primarily in the lower abdomen not in the stomach as such.
I have been thinking about another theory regarding Cholinergic Urticaria. I have had a surgery for a small hernia in the lower abdomen, in the year 2000. There was a polypropylene mesh inserted to protect against further recurrence, I have read around the interWeb that the mesh can cause complications in some cases and could well be the cause for the immunological weirdness that my body is experiencing!
Well theories are just that, theories, so I will be twidling thumbs like that.
I will cut milk and milk products and see if it causes any difference, thanks for the tip Hivesguy.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: billysielu on October 27, 2008, 11:21:24 AM
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I don’t think my digestive system is particularly bad due to Cholinergic Urticaria.
I’ve gone on a crazy fitness kick, I’m losing a lot of weight, which obviously has affected my digestive system – so it’s hard to be objective.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: HivesGuy on October 27, 2008, 04:00:49 PM
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Quote from: Newear2006 on October 27, 2008, 09:50:41 AM
I spoke with a dermatologist and he told me that the massive histamine dump being caused by Cholinergic Urticaria, will have gastro-intestinal symptoms as well. Anti-histamines makes me feel like a zombie so, I avoid ’em as much as possible, not that they help too much anyway.
I am also skinny and I feel bloated as well but primarily in the lower abdomen not in the stomach as such.
I have been thinking about another theory regarding Cholinergic Urticaria. I have had a surgery for a small hernia in the lower abdomen, in the year 2000. There was a polypropylene mesh inserted to protect against further recurrence, I have read around the interWeb that the mesh can cause complications in some cases and could well be the cause for the immunological weirdness that my body is experiencing!
Well theories are just that, theories, so I will be twidling thumbs like that.
I will cut milk and milk products and see if it causes any difference, thanks for the tip Hivesguy.
I have also read online that histamine can cause gastro intestinal issues. But I don’t think it was causing my stomach issues since I try to avoid a breakout as much as possible. Plus now my stomach issues are gone and I still have Cholinergic Urticaria so far.
The funny thing is, I ate milk and cheese and things like that all the time. I just sort of develped this milk thing out of nowhere. But sure enough, if I eat a big bowl of ice cream or something, I will usually have an upset stomach within 4 hours. If I am eating it regularly, my stomach will be messed up regularly and the whole day. It is weird.
Anyways, you may just want to start examining the stuff in your diet. It may be food related, or it may not. But either way, I know how you feel and I hope you get it figured out soon. I don’t think we need any more problems on top of this cholinergic urticaria stuff.
As far as your theory, it is always possible. I try to keep an open mind. I had a surgery to remove a lipoma several months before I ever got Cholinergic Urticaria, but they didn’t place any type of device inside of me (unless they left something in there by accident…it happens sometimes). But I also wonder if maybe something or some event triggered our immune system and made it go haywire.
I always welcome theories because like you said, they are just that–theories. The more theories we have the better our chances are of being right about one.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: billysielu on February 07, 2009, 09:07:08 AM
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I’ve just read the latest blog post. I also have a terrible stomach, and red bumps on my fingers, just like the photo.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: HivesGuy on February 07, 2009, 10:23:34 AM
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Quote from: billysielu on February 07, 2009, 09:07:08 AM
I’ve just read the latest blog post. I also have a terrible stomach, and red bumps on my fingers, just like the photo.
Really! Wow, that makes me really think that there is some kind of common link with this. I strongly suspect my diet has caused the bumps again. I had them last year when I had bad eczema rashes too. However, when I went almost completely organic with no milk/wheat/processed stuff, they all cleared within a couple of weeks. I am trying to go on a strict diet again to see if they go away.
My stomach is very sensitive. I have to avoid certain foods, and so far I know I HAVE to avoid Milk, Onions, Beans, Wheat, and I think possibly soy too. When I eat onions and beans, I get crazy amounts of bloating and gas. Milk causes crazy cramps and stomach issues. But when I avoid all of the foods I know messes me up and eat very healthy (rice, veggies, fruit, lean chicken), I feel so much better.
I think the bumps are related to my diet this time too, as I have been eating more junk/wheat, but no milk–just wheat and other ingredients. But I also bought a new hand soap, but I don’t think that is the cause.
Not only that, but I found out some interesting stuff on the web about another skin condition I have and I think many of you may have it too. I think it may have a role in Cholinergic Urticaria, but I don’t know for sure. I will make a post later on the blog with the details and a picture of that too. I am heading out for a few hours right now.
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Title: Eating
Post by: StrongerThanHives on April 17, 2009, 03:36:23 PM
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after eating a lot of food, I have breakout’s about 15 minutes after.
My first guess was that it was because the food might have warmed up my body somehow…
or it could be because I’m somehow allergic
any thoughts?
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Title: Re: Eating
Post by: HivesGuy on April 17, 2009, 04:13:18 PM
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I myself have noticed that I tend to be more reactive on a full stomach than on an empty stomach. I still can have a lot of hives reaction on an empty stomach, but like I said, it does seem to be a litttle more noticeable/reactive after eating a big meal & stuffing myself.
I have no idea why this may be?? Maybe the gastric acids, or rush of blood to the stomach. I have also heard that there is a lot of histamine in the intestines, so maybe this has something to do with it as well??
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Title: Re: Eating
Post by: billysielu on April 19, 2009, 02:01:40 AM
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I’ve always noticed hot food gives me a runny nose – but I don’t get an attack from food unless it’s packed with Jalapenos.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: Honkymagoo on April 22, 2009, 09:20:03 PM
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I had a bad stomach long before Cholinergic Urticaria. Similar problems to what you described in your OP, though. Severe cramps and just general IBS type problems.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: HivesGuy on April 23, 2009, 06:46:21 AM
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Quote from: Honkymagoo on April 22, 2009, 09:20:03 PM
I had a bad stomach long before Cholinergic Urticaria. Similar problems to what you described in your OP, though. Severe cramps and just general IBS type problems.
Yes, these lactose pills I take with a built-in probiotic does help when I eat certain foods. But if I eat a really strict diet (fruits, veggies, etc.), then my stomach problems go away. I am hoping to try some probiotics soon in addition to the other ones to see if it helps at all.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: jga on April 25, 2009, 09:36:29 PM
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I read somewhere Zantac taken with Zyrtec is very effective. Zantac is some sort of stomach/digestion medicine. Perhaps there is a link with Cholinergic Urticaria and digestion. I have to try this myself.
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: BiaHasHives on April 26, 2009, 08:32:27 AM
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there may very well be a link between the two?!? in the latest journal ive read about a Japanese boy who had severe Cholinergic Urticaria was successfully treated w/ H1, H2 blockers….and scopolamine butylbromide which is medication for IBS. his symptoms cleared up within 2 days of treatment. very interesting!
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: HivesGuy on April 26, 2009, 02:50:49 PM
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Yes, it does seem in fact interesting that for some reason stomach medicine seems to helps some when combined with an antihistamine. I wonder what the connection is? Maybe it just blocks a type of nerve impulse or something?
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Title: Re: Cholinergic Urticaria and the digestive system
Post by: pinkleopard on June 08, 2009, 12:45:04 PM
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i have been taking probiotics for about 3 months with good results. i think part of living with Cholinergic Urticaria is pulling off a balancing act. i don’t really think i will ever find a “cure,” but i think the right combo of things will make it a little more manageable.
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Title: Could sugar be a contributing factor?
Post by: Irishhivegirl on August 15, 2010, 02:24:46 PM
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Just had a thought… I drink a ridiculous amount of tea everyday and in each mug I take 2 and a half teaspoons of sugar. That’s a hell of a lot of sugar for so many years. It’s a wonder I haven’t got Diabetes!! I wonder could the accumulation of all that sugar over time be a factor? Any thoughts anyone??
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Title: Re: Could sugar be a contributing factor?
Post by: HivesGuy on August 15, 2010, 03:03:49 PM
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I never rule anything out!
I have tried various diet attempts through the years (most are recorded on the blog). What I have found personally is that my diet has never been able to make the hives go away. However, my diet absolutely can make my hives either worse or better.
For example, right now, I am having a really upset stomach lately, and eating lots of sugary foods (like cocoa pebbles cereal, etc.). Over the past month, my hives have been so sensitive to heat that barely walking outside or anything at all sets them into a reaction.
Since my stomach has been so upset, I have reduced my diet to eating only cooked rice, and a bit of rice chex cereal (with honey). This is all I have ate the past few days. I even completely fasted yesterday, and drank nothing but water.
Anyway, my hives are starting to feel a smidge better, but I am sure it will take another week or two until they calm down more. But my point is this: my diet has been a way for me to modify my hives (good or bad) in the past. If your hives get really bad, it would definitely be worth your time to eliminate any foods you suspect could be making them worse.
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Title: Eliminating Histamine Rich Foods?
Post by: Motion on April 10, 2011, 07:02:13 PM
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Has anyone tried eliminating or reducing foods that are high in histamines? I found an article that touches on the foods that are high in histamine. I might try eliminating some to see what happens.
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Title: Re: Eliminating Histamine Rich Foods?
Post by: Darkhorse on April 11, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
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Benefits of a Histamine-Reducing Diet for Some Patients with Chronic Urticaria and Angioedema.
Abstract:
Red Deer Regional Hospital Centre, Red Deer, AB
Urticaria and angioedema symptoms result primarily from the physiological actions of histamine. Some individuals with urticaria have a decreased ability to degrade dietary histamine before it enters the circulation. Foods high in histamine, such as fermented foods, may exacerbate urticaria and angioedema in these individuals.
Certain food additives may increase endogenous release of histamine and urticaria and angioedema symptoms. The objective of this study was to evaluate the effect of a histamine-reducing diet on urticaria and angioedema symptoms, and on nutrient intake. Nineteen subjects with chronic urticaria or angioedema were randomized to a treatment group (n=9) or a control group (n=10). The treatment group followed a histamine-reducing diet, and the control group eliminated artificial sweeteners from their diets.
The subjects recorded antihistamine medication intake, number of wheals, the severity of pruritus and the severity of angioedema for two weeks before starting the diet and for six weeks during the dietary intervention. Subjects completed three-day food records every two weeks. There was a marginally significant decrease in the number of antihistamine tablets taken in the histamine-reducing diet group compared with the control group, and two of nine treatment subjects had dramatically improved symptoms. During the study there was no significant risk of nutritional deficiency for either group.
Might very well be worth trying
I would keep a log and do it for 4 weeks to test and see if it is worth staying on to improve your condition
And if it is don’t force it make it more of a lifestyle change!
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Title: Re: Eliminating Histamine Rich Foods?
Post by: ken8lk on April 11, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
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I eat a lot of these foods everyday…maybe getting rid of those will help.
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Title: Re: Eliminating Histamine Rich Foods?
Post by: HivesGuy on April 11, 2011, 06:51:23 PM
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Hi motion,
Yes, there has been some discussion about this topic on this forum, and I made a blog post as well. I have reduced a lot of histamine rich foods from my diet, but so far I don’t think it has helped.
Silvertones also tried a supplement which claims to inhibit histamine from being produced/absorbed, but it didn’t work too well for him.
I still reduce the foods, but I don’t think at this point that it will probably impact anyone’s Cholinergic Urticaria too much. Maybe it will help a bit. It doesn’t hurt to try, and I will mostly continue to follow it just in case.
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Title: Re: Eliminating Histamine Rich Foods?
Post by: Motion on April 11, 2011, 09:52:47 PM
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Looking over the list the main things that I saw that I tend to consume the most would be the beer,cheese,processed meats and products containing vinegar. It’ll be tricky trying not to consume vinegar products since so many sauces contain it. I have found organic sausages and hot dogs that I can switch to.
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Title: Feeling Better with Raw Food
Post by: spiffyg on June 27, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
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Recently I decided to incorporate a lot more raw food into my diet. Not because I wanted to cure my Cholinergic Urticaria, but because I’ve come to a point where I actually care about my health! I eat at least 50% raw. Raw meaning not cooked. Veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds, seaweed, algae, etc. I’ve also been trying to avoid meat and dairy (although I think it’s actually somewhat beneficial if RAW, organic and grass fed), corn, soy, wheat (gluten), and basically anything unnatural. My reasons for avoiding corn and soy is because these two crops are an ingredient in practically everything these days so someone on a “conventional” diet consumes WAY too much corn and soy. And the meat you eat is being fed corn and soy beans which makes the meat nutritionally deficient.
So I’ve been doing this for the past 5 days (I plan on living this way) and I feel a lot better. Here’s an example. I was relieved from work yesterday, stepped outside into the sun wearing long black pants, thick black socks, a black button down long-sleeve shirt and an undershirt, and it was HOT. Must have been in the high 80’s! I drove around in the sun for maybe 10 minutes, then walked my friend’s dogs with her for 10 minutes. And guess what, I did not break out! I didn’t even feel a prickle! I even had the thought, “Where is it? I thought I’d be in pain right now.” Also, I got an hour of sun the weekend before, so that probably helped, too!
If you are suffering from heat hives, as I have for 8 or so years now, and are still eating processed foods and ingesting nitrites, HFCS, artificial colors, preservatives, flavorings and sweeteners, MSG, and hydrogenated oils, my advice to you would be to give raw a chance! You have nothing to lose! How has your diet benefited you thus far? What other health problems do you suffer from that can be helped by the super-beneficial enzymes of food that hasn’t been chemically altered by adding heat. You don’t need to AVOID cooked foods. Just add more raw into your diet slowly and see how you feel. I can’t rant enough about this point. Eat healthy and be healthy.
Thanks for your time and I hope you will at least take into consideration what you nourish your body with. 🙂
Love and light!!
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Title: Re: Feeling Better with Raw Food
Post by: Darkhorse on July 07, 2011, 09:36:39 AM
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Anti-histamine diets have been shown to be insignificant at helping histamine mediated reactions, you should be eating healthy anyways
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Title: Soy Cause Cholinergic Urticaria Hives?
Post by: hieveryone on August 01, 2011, 03:09:38 AM
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Hi people,
Well, after this month of July in wich I ate a lot junk food, my Cholinergic Urticaria has agravated, but not as bad as I thought it would, so I’ve decided to do a serious diet to verify if the food is really making the Cholinergic Urticaria worse, for at least a month. I have a month of vacations in wich I have to study quite a bit so I’ll be focused in diet and studies, and I really want to do this right, I’ve been already doing a lot of cardio exercise and some weights (wich I think also make my Cholinergic Urticaria worse). I’ve been reading the whole last HivesGuy’s posts on his forum and I think that’s gonna be my diet: Chicken, Broccoli, chards, salmon, whole rice, carrots (I want to totally remove gluten, wheat and processed sugars).
But, when I went today to the store, I saw that they had Soy Milk, and it had added Calcium and vitamin D, wich I honestly prefer than taking a multivitamin supplement because the supplements often put too much vitamins and some times added sugars. Well, what do you think, is soy a susceptible food of producing rashes or intolerances? Also, do you think fruits can cause also some intolerance? I think that when I eat those with more sugar I get more the ‘itching feeling’ like Watermelons or Apples.
I want to do this diet right and I know it’s gonna be hard so I want to think very well what I’m going to eat. What do you think, any ideas?
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: HivesGuy on August 01, 2011, 03:52:15 AM
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Google allergy elimination diet, and you will get a good idea (although some are a bit contradictory). It is pretty much the only way to eliminate and isolate “delayed onset food allergies.”
From my own recent experiments, my thinking is starting to change that maybe Cholinergic Urticaria is a form of delayed onset allergic reaction (similar to how exercised induced anaphylaxis is now being associated with wheat consumption).
This is what I am eating right now with incredible success: (Note: I never buy products which say “Made in a factory with milk, wheat, blah blah).
I plan to slowly expand on this, adding one food every week or two until I can build a solid diet and eliminate all known food allergens.
Grains (or grainlike substances):
–White rice only (cooked at home, and not contaminated with wheat, etc.)
–Quinoa (tastes surprisingly good, and a complete protein source)
–Millet (also tastes great and a very high protein source)
[Cut all wheat, brown rice, corn, and other allergy prone grains etc.]
Sugars/Sweeteners:
–Maple syrup only, and/or stevia, and/or agave nectar
[cut out white sugar/cane sugar/brown sugar/nutrisweet/aspartame, and probably best to avoid honey]
Meats/Foul/Seafood:
–Lamb
–Chicken
–Salmon (wild caught)
[Avoid any meats contaminated with additives, preservatives, etc. Avoid red meat too aside from lamb.] Also, these are all frozen meats. Not canned, and I have to cook it all.
Veggies
–Brocolli
–brussel sprouts
–carrots
–celery
–lettuce
{avoid corn, tomatoes, potatoes, green beans, beans, etc} Get only frozen or fresh!!
Fruits
–bananas
–strawberries
–blueberries
[avoid apples, citrus fruits, grapes, dried fruits, canned fruits]
Get frozen or fresh!!
Foods to Avoid/Tips:
–Avoid legumes, soy, & nuts, all dairy, wheat, corn, eggs and other grains, and pretty much everything I listed above to avoid.
Right now I use NO condiments (no mustard, bbq sauce, ketchup, etc.). I am using NO seasonings (no salt, vinegar, etc.).
Do not buy stuff that is cross contaminated, or produced on factory lines with dairy, wheat, nuts, etc.
Do not buy canned or dried fruit/veggies. Buy as fresh or frozen only. Do not buy when a lot of preservatives, dyes, etc. are added. Do not buy when produced in a factory with known allergens.
Sample GOOD Label: Ingredients–Salmon (wild caught).
Sample BAD Label: Ingredients–Salmon (farm raised), sodium nitrate. May contain traces of wheat, soy, peanuts, and milk. Produced in a factory that cremates dead bodies, and makes radioactive bombs.
Other Notes:
Yes this is hard. Especially the first few days if you eat ‘good’ tasting food regularly. But–it is worth it.
I mix white rice and millet (or quinoa), and add a lot of maple syrup to flavor it. It tastes pretty good.
I cook chicken and veggies together and eat that. I also make those smoothies I made a post on about 3 times per day.
All in all, it does taste pretty good, and I am having great results. I am going to soon experiment with baking with these flours.
They make white rice four, millet flour, quinoa flour, etc. so that you can bake breads, cookies, etc.
How Long Does It Take To See Results?
-Probably about 1.5-3 weeks. It is a delayed onset issue, and takes a while for the inflammation to calm down and resolve. It kinda gradually fades until it just never happens any more.
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Obviously, if you are allergic to anything I mentioned above, go ahead and avoid it. If anything causes stomach upset, avoid it. Talk to a doctor or nutritionalist to make sure this may be safe for you.
The above may not be safe for everyone, especially if you have any allergies to those foods, pregnant, on medication, etc. So make sure it is safe from your doc before attempting.
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Good luck.
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: hieveryone on August 01, 2011, 04:08:18 AM
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Woah, Thanks a lot for the quick reply. So then I won’t buy the soya milk, no doubt. Also I saw a corn crispies but I’ll leave them too. But still I’m doubting about two more things:
Not whole rice?: I’ve read that whole rice (I think it’s the same as brown rice) is way better than the white one and neigther of them have gluten, and I’ve been taking it in June with better results than white (This is only a thought), also read the white usually have worse additives, didn’t you eat whole rice?
Vitamins: In your experience, would you take supplements at first or with the veggies, salmont, etc is enough?
Thanks for the tips, I’ll sure go for these fruits.
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: HivesGuy on August 01, 2011, 04:23:55 AM
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Most of the alternatives to milk (rice milk, soy milk, coconut milk) taste just fine. But they often have a lot of preservatives, additives, flavorings, etc. on the label–which quite frankly turns me off while I am on such a strict diet. So I avoid them.
If you want a “milk” type product, you can make your own rice milk in a blender, and sweeten it with maple syrup. I think you can find a youtube video on making your own rice milk.
The only cereal I can recommend is something like “puffed millet,” or puffed rice. Make sure it has ZERO other things in it. No BHT, or other preservatives, or added sugar. Really, I would recommend making your own “hot” cereal as opposed to cold cereals from store bought. Like I said, I actually make rice and millet (or rice and quinoa), and pour in a generous amount of maple syrup, and it is delicous–tastes just as good as any other breakfast.
I am soon going to try to re-introduce olive oil (because I could use the calories now that I have lost all my visceral fat and I want to bulk up—and I can bake with stuff), and see if I can tolerate that.
Brown rice is way better than white rice nutritionally. But what I noticed is that for some reason, my body really tolerates white rice much better than brown. The extra grain in brown rice is a little harder to digest. Also, it made me feel sick to my stomach, and I cut it out and I felt much better. Also, white rice is less prone to causing allergic reactions that full brown rice.
Some allergy diets say to eliminate all rice, some don’t. If you want to try brown rice–go for it. But I stick with just white rice for now. Quinoa and millet are actually way better than brown rice, wheat, and other grains anyway. So I get the nutrition from millet and quinoa, and I get my calories from the white rice (ie, I only eat it as a filler). With my workout routine I am finding it difficult to eat enough calories with the above diet plan.
I take only these supplements at the moment: Vitamin D3 (2-3 times per week), Centrum Multivitamin (daily), and a Calcium pill (3-4 times per week). I usually break them up in the day, and I eat them after a solid meal. I don’t like to take the vitamins after my smoothies though.
Any other questions, let me know.
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: HivesGuy on August 01, 2011, 04:37:42 AM
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Also, you can probably expand on this diet quite a bit over time, and really add foods to the list of things you can tolerate.
But for purposes of the diet, it is important to be VERY strict on it for at least a week or two to see if your symptoms calm down at all. It seems very hard at first, but I find that when I crave some food I shouldn’t eat, I just go and eat one of my meals and it takes away the craving when I get full.
Also, I would like to add that I had ZERO ZERO ZERO food allergies growing up. NO environmental allergies (aside from poison ivy), and it is an absolute shock to me that I can now no longer tolerate foods I have eaten all my life!!
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: hieveryone on August 01, 2011, 05:00:07 AM
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Ok! I’ll take all this in account.
I’m ok with all of this, but the only thing I’ll change is that I’ll probably take the brown rice because when I started to take it I really noticed an improvement. Well, for other times I really recall it’s hard, specially the first days as you wrote, but the goal worths it so I’ll be very restrictive. Now I have some stomach issues but not as hard as other times and only ocasionally, so I’m not sure if in my case it will be food related, hope so. Anyway, I’ll surely post in the final of August the result of this, thanks for all the tips, I’ll see what happens!
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: HivesGuy on August 01, 2011, 06:02:49 AM
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Yes, if you try the elimination diet, just make sure to do it safely.
And please definitely report back to let us know if this helped you or not. It is always nice to hear feedback of what is working/not working.
Best of luck!
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: hieveryone on August 26, 2011, 12:30:58 AM
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Well, here is my feedback, not progress.
The fact is I really didn’t follow the ‘treatment’ so I can’t say if it is usefull. I started the next day I wrote the post and I kept doing it for five days. The main and absolute problem for me was to fill all the calories I needed to take with carrots, fruit, the chicken and rice, tons of rice. I usually do some bycicle because the UC doesn’t appear to be so strong (the wind) and the sixth day I was so tired that I had to give up the diet. In six days I didn’t notice any, any emprovement, I felt a lot worse (very very tired). I continued the diet but I included more fruits, more types of meat/fish, a bit of wheat, till a week ago, and no special emprove occurred.
Now I had to move to an other house, where I decided to stop taking wheat for a month, but eating again food like egg, spycies, potatoes, I think it has also worsen it. I’ve also started to study a lot and I think this somehow makes it even worse. I’ve been thinking and I believe that the best thing for me in this attemps has been the brown rice, although I think I eat a lot of carbs and proteins, my legs/arms are skinny tipe. I think I’m going to give a try to an ‘absorption’ diet, I mean, eat more of yogurt, brown rice, muelsi, etc… Don’t have more ideas for now.
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Title: Re: Soy on your diet?¿
Post by: HivesGuy on August 26, 2011, 02:51:08 AM
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Thanks for reporting back. Yeah, I can totally understand your not being able to follow the diet. In all honestly, it took me a long time to be able to beat my cravings for food and stay on it very strictly. But it has made a huge difference for me.
In any event, thanks so much for posting back, and I hope you are able to get your hives under control.
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Title: Hey heard about this inflammation reducing drink sounds promising
Post by: HivesForDayz on October 29, 2011, 04:22:39 PM
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Have you guys heard about the drink called Nopalea? It’s supposed to reduce inflammation and is a powerful antioxidant. Nopalea is supposed to help a dermatological conditions. I was just wondering if anyone has heard of it or tried it, and what you guys think? It’s kind’ve expensive for a drink.
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Title: Re: Hey heard about this inflammation reducing drink sounds promising
Post by: HivesGuy on October 30, 2011, 05:10:47 AM
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Great question.
Yeah, I actually have tried some so called “anti-inflammatory” drinks in the past. Everything from Acaia berry drinks, to smoothies, and similar drinks.
It is basically just hype. Like blueberries, for example, have “anti-inflammatory” properties. But that doesn’t mean drinking them daily is going to reduce all of the inflammation in your body (especially if you have some sort of seasonal or food allergy or arthritis).
Plus, most of this stuff is so overpriced it is crazy. Even in that page, they say its “free,” yet are charging $9.99 for shipping. I wouldn’t even pay $9.99 at the store for this stuff, yet they are charging that just for shipping! It’s crazy.
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Title: What worked for me!
Post by: tam29 on December 14, 2011, 08:51:53 AM
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Hi I’m not usually the type to post on forums but told myself if i found something that treated my chronic urticaria/ hives then i would share that information.
Just a bit of background on my condition. Started getting a breakout of hives since April this year and progressively got worse after a few weeks to the point where it would come on everyday for at least a few hours if not for most of the day. Couldn’t really say there was anything that triggered it. Antihistamines (Telfast, Zrytec) worked to mask the symptoms but wasn’t really a treatment option.
Then I read about leaky gut syndrome which is really just caused by increased permeability of the gut (through damaged or altered gut lining) which then allows toxins and microbes to leak through the gut wall. This creates an immune response by the body which releases histamine and the body can break out in hives.
So with this information I just researched ways to repair the lining of the gut. I came out with L-glutamine and probiotics which are often used to do just that. I took about 30g of L-glutamine and one daily capsule of probiotic per day for 3 weeks. After that the hives progressively got better before completely disappearing.
Just a tip. Buy the glutamine in powder form cause the capsules/tablets are usually only 500mg and you’ll need to pretty much finish the bottle to get 30g. NOTE: Always consult a doctor before ever taking supplements for correct dosages for you.
Hope you’ll achieve the same results as I did with this treatment. And do let us know how it goes.
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Title: Re: What worked for me!
Post by: HivesGuy on December 14, 2011, 09:19:11 AM
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Hello tam29,
Thanks for your great post and welcome to the forum.
I’m really glad to hear that this worked for you. It’s always great to hear someone being able to get their hives under control. My diet & probiotic treatment has really helped me get my hives under control as well.
I have never tried L-glutamine before, but it is something I may actually look into at some point in the future to see if it changes my food tolerances.
I have experimented with probiotics a lot, and I like them in general. I am currently taking a couple of different brands together. I’ve noticed that they can REALLY make a difference with digestion and stomach issues. My wife has taken them when she has had stomach issues in the past, and her grandfather also took some after some antibiotics messed up his digestion.
Anyway, thanks again for your post, and welcome.
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Title: Re: What worked for me!
Post by: nowash on December 15, 2011, 06:18:00 AM
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Probiotics help me too (with my asthma), but they’d always stop working for some reason. What probiotic are you taking?
L-glutamine sounds interesting.
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Title: Re: What worked for me!
Post by: HivesGuy on December 15, 2011, 06:57:11 AM
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@tam29–I’d also like to know what brand of probiotics you took.
I’m currently taking Digestive Advantage brand, and also 1 enzymatic pearl brand per day. Those seem to work well for me. I took one kind called “probilactic” and it bloated me up like crazy. I eventually stopped taking those.
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Title: Questions for Hivesguy (Please answer)
Post by: yash on February 21, 2012, 10:31:14 PM
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At first I wanted to ask my questions thru private message but I think a public answer might be helpful to others with similar questions aswell so…
Today I took the time to read your AMAZING Diet article here https://www.cholinergicurticaria.net/allergy-elimination-diet-cholinergic-urticaria-hives-my-experiences/. this came as a shocker to me cause I also noticed that dairy would boost my symptoms (took me a while to figure it out), I also quit wheat and gluten rich foods which also seemed to play a role in this.
Now my hives attacks are less often and less intense than in previous years (Im on my 4th year with it), BUT my current diet (basically veggies, fruits, corn fluor) ALSO includes olive oil and white sugar, so my question is, what cooking oil do you use now?, and about sugar, do you use white sugar or which one is good?
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Title: Re: Questions for Hivesguy (Please answer)
Post by: HivesGuy on February 22, 2012, 04:09:10 AM
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Hey yash,
I’m really happy to hear that your diet is helping you. I’ve definitely pinpointed beyond any reasonable doubt that diet FOR SURE makes my hives come out, and dramatically worse. By going strict, I maintain remission.
As for your question, I rarely use oils at all. Right now, I’m in fact eating a lot of turkey. I buy frozen turkey breasts, and I throw it in a crock pot all night on low. I also add in some veggies, like carrots, broccoli, sweet potatoes, etc. It is delicious because of the juices of the turkey soak into the veggies.
If you have to use oils, you may want to go with canola or sunflower. But basically I avoid them as much as possible, and rarely do I ever eat them at all. I cook all foods in either a crock pot, the oven, or on a steamer–so basically it cuts the needs to use oil at all. I’ve found that excessive oils of any kind seem to bother me a bit. I’m not sure why this is–but I suspect they add a lot of antioxidants and preservatives to many oils to prevent them from going rancid.
With regards to sugar–I’d cut it out as best you can to see if it may help. The only sweetner I use right now is maple syrup. I pour that on my cooked white rice, and it is really tasty. It tastes like a really sweet hot cereal. Other than that, I eat my smoothies for a sweet snack (bananas, strawberries, and blueberries, water in a blender). So rice with a little natural maple syrup (the real kind, not the fake kind), and I make sure it has nothing added to it. That’s all I eat for a sweet snack, but it does the trick. I usually eat about 2-3 smoothies per day, and also 2-3 plates of rice with maple syrup per day (as I crave something sweet). It also helps with calories. You’d be surprised how when you eat healthy how hard it can be to actually eat enough calories. I eat all day yet find it hard to even reach my maintenance level.
There are alternative sweeteners too that you may want to experiment with, such as stevia, agave nectar, honey, etc. But maple syrup is pretty good, and actually has some natural minerals and stuff in it. Plus it was commonly listed on most “allergy elimination diets” as a safe sweetener to use for the most part.
I hope that helps!
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Title: Re: Questions for Hivesguy (Please answer)
Post by: yash on March 03, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
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Alright so I began taking calcium + Vitamin D pills and eating only veggies and chicken (not quite ready to give up olive oil and sugar lol) but at least i dont eat refined one, now… about increasing water consumption… i got a prob there, each time I try to drink more water, I feel like absolutely every drop of it ends up in the bathroom each time i go there, like seriously, i dont feel like my body is really absobing any of it, is that supposed to be normal or just me? lol
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Title: Re: Questions for Hivesguy (Please answer)
Post by: HivesGuy on March 04, 2012, 01:22:15 PM
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Hey Yash,
It is quite normal that the more fluids you drink (especially water), the more often you will urinate. What goes in, must come out.
I personally wouldn’t over do it with water. Just drink enough of the recommended daily amount (and keep in mind the fluids in beverages, fruits, etc) as well.
But if you notice anything odd about your urine (different color, extra bubbly texture, pain, blood, etc), then you definitely want to get that checked out by a doctor just to be safe.
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Title: IBS and urticaria is destroying my life
Post by: mbrosch on April 28, 2012, 10:27:24 PM
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I am 27 and have been struggling with cholinergic urticaria for 10 years now. It just started happening and I didn’t see anyone til one day it spread over my entire body. By then it was too late to find the trigger. I started dressing in anything that would hide the reaction. Even in the hot summers. It got so bad I started avoiding people in general. I was put on hydroxyzine and allegra and it started to get better but not gone. I was able to live my life again, most of the time…
During my divorce a few years ago I developed IBS-D and lost 30lbs in a month. I’ve been a prisoner to these conditions now for years with no hope of remission. I’ve maxed my dose of hydroxyzine and have built up a tolerance and it’s not really working anymore and am breaking out more often. The anxiety of breaking out in public or with people, and most likely having an IBS-D flare up, has made it almost impossible for me to have any quality of life.
I avoid socializing and stressful situations where I may break out and/or have a flare up and it has left me single with few friends and not much of a life.
I’m tired of making excuses and sitting at home bored and lonely and often dealing with uncomfortable and embarrasing symptoms.
I’d be the first to volunteer for any therapys or drugs to help those like us be able to live our lives again. Oddly enough by many posts it seems these conditions are actually related. Stress can do some crazy things to our bodies and in turn causing more stress and more physical issues. Best of luck to everyone and it’s wonderful to know there are people who relate and people who are in remission.
Trying to keep my head up.
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Title: Re: IBS and urticaria is destroying my life
Post by: HeatLad on April 29, 2012, 03:50:37 PM
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Hello mate i am Ryan i am 17 and have had this for two years now so i know what you are going through.
from what i have seen, people who don’t sweat often have got this for example i was such an active kid at 13 14 and 15 i was sweating every day doing athletics football and bike riding and so much more then one day i got really bad sports related migraines which i was put on beta blockers for because i would nearly pass out if i ran a few metres, i stopped sport for a year completely because i couldn’t physically do it.
so a year without properly sweating head to toe
then after my migraines went i couldn’t sweat! i would just itch! i am going to get a treadmill and start running in my house to get sweating! i have seen so many people saying sweating every day has cured them! get yourself a treadmill and an xbox, treadmill to sweat and xbox to take your mind off divorce, hope you’re alright mate, Ryan 🙂
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Title: Re: Questions for Hivesguy (Please answer)
Post by: Baldeagle73 on May 10, 2012, 06:56:54 AM
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Hi
It is nearly 2 years since I picked up the hives during a visit abroad. After many trials to beat this itching I have discovered that the following works for me.
1. Keep drinking the apple cider vinegar.
2. Be careful what you eat.Many foods bring on attacks such as ,tomatoes, cream, nuts,
melons, strawberries are very potent.
3. Keep your bedroom cool and use as little bedcovering as possible.
If possible obtain deromovate from your doctor. Its better than antihistermine.
Lastly watch your diet carefully