Body Cooling Shirt, Vest, or Moisture Wicking Clothes Help Cholinergic Urticaria
Post by: bbroom on October 15, 2008, 09:45:01 PM
Winter months prove to be a challenge for me. I live just 25 miles north east of New Orleans and our seasons are mild.
The standing joke is that we have one day of winter, one day of spring, one of fall and the rest are summer.
It can be 30 degrees F in the early AM and warm to 70F + in the afternoon. So to avoid being trapped in cold weather attire, I always layer so I can remove items as the afternoon warm up begins.
And as many have stated , just entering a building that is heated can cause an outbreak.
I have discovered that if i wear any blouse or sweater that is made of Ramie, I have a horrible reaction when combined with any heat exposure, either external or activity induced. Ramie is a natural fiber and is supposed to be absorbent, but it tends to make the sweat remain on my skin and even on my meds, the horrible uncomfortable feeling is unbearable.
Has anyone else had similar reaction to any fabrics (natural or synthetic)?
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Title: Re: Ramie? (natural fiber inclothing)
Post by: HivesGuy on October 16, 2008, 04:39:41 AM
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Hello,
First, I know exactly what you mean about the “HEATED BUILDING” issue. My worse fear is being in the middle of winter and having to go from ice cold outside to immediate 90 degree indoor heating. It is almost an instant breakout! I hate it. Just the other day my wife and I went to walmart, and they already had the heat on. I was like, “oh no, here we go again.”
As far as fabrics causing a reaction. I haven’t noticed any reaction to a particular fabric. I do know that thinner and more “breathable” fabrics such as cotton help my to keep my core temperature down, which helps tremendously.
During winter months, I usually try to wear summer type shirts (t-shirts), and wear jackes or winter clothing over that. That way, while out in the cold I have a jacket on, but when I go inside the hot buildings, I can quickly take it off and have cooler clothing.
I can recall so many days of just sitting in my car with my coat, gloves, and winter hat on with the heater going full blast trying to get myself really hot so I wouldn’t have such a bad reaction when I went into a hot building.
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Title: Re: Ramie? (natural fiber inclothing)
Post by: billysielu on October 17, 2008, 11:06:02 AM
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HivesGuy, can you force a breakout by tensing all the muscles in your body? I’ve found I can, and if I feel a breakout coming, I can go to the bathroom and force it, it’ll last about 1 minute – much shorter than usual. Then I can go back to what I was doing.
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Title: Re: Ramie? (natural fiber inclothing)
Post by: HivesGuy on October 17, 2008, 05:58:04 PM
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Quote from: billysielu on October 17, 2008, 11:06:02 AM
HivesGuy, can you force a breakout by tensing all the muscles in your body? I’ve found I can, and if I feel a breakout coming, I can go to the bathroom and force it, it’ll last about 1 minute – much shorter than usual. Then I can go back to what I was doing.
Well first of all, I can generally force a breakout if I wanted. For example, I have noticed that sometimes I can literally almost feel my body releasing adrenalin or something. Like if I get excited or really pumped up for a second, I can feel this sort of “rush” feeling that can quickly cause a reaction. I can almost force adrenalin anytime I want. It is kind of like I have mental control over it or something. Like i can think of a rush and my body gets this sort of “bam” feeling.
I can force a reaction by simply getting heated almost like a person can make their heart rate faster if they run for a minute. Basically it works almost like clockwork. If I get hot, excited, or whatever, I can do a reaction. Just like an ordinary person can raise their heartbeats by doing a physical activity, I can can intense itching/flushing by doing something similar (which I suspect probably many of you can do as well).
In response to your question about tensing my muscles, I gave it a try after I read this post. I tensed all the muscles in my body and held it for about a minute or so. I did kind of feel like my body got warmer, but I didn’t get any type of reaction or itching from it.
It sounds interesting that you can do that. Are you sure it just isn’t hot in the room and your body just slightly raises in temperature and that sparks the reaction?
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Title: Re: Ramie? (natural fiber inclothing)
Post by: billysielu on October 18, 2008, 09:38:25 AM
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I’ve noticed that it doesn’t work in a cold room, so maybe.
I kinda think it’s related to the effect that heat has on the air and our ability to take in oxygen, which of course is affected by excercise.
I think it works in cold, but just takes longer, for example a 10 minute walk will do it. But the tensing trick wont be enough.
Maybe you could try it when you feel your next breakout, and see if it passes quicker?
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Title: Re: Ramie? (natural fiber inclothing)
Post by: HivesGuy on October 23, 2008, 09:18:10 AM
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Quote from: billysielu on October 18, 2008, 09:38:25 AM
I’ve noticed that it doesn’t work in a cold room, so maybe.
I kinda think it’s related to the effect that heat has on the air and our ability to take in oxygen, which of course is affected by excercise.
I think it works in cold, but just takes longer, for example a 10 minute walk will do it. But the tensing trick wont be enough.
Maybe you could try it when you feel your next breakout, and see if it passes quicker?
Hello,
I just wanted to follow-up and let you know that I have had a few reactions over the past couple of days. I did try the tensing, but I can’t really tell if it made the reaction happen faster. It seemed about normal to me. I did continue to break out while tense, but I can’t say whether or not it was due to the tensing or the fact that I was already breaking out.
It lasted about the same amount of time as they always do, which is about 5-15 minutes (depending on how severe my reactions are.
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Title: Re: Ramie? (natural fiber inclothing)
Post by: billysielu on October 25, 2008, 04:06:55 AM
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hmm ok, thanks for trying anyway.
I wonder why that works for me and not for you. Perhaps that relates to anti-histamines working for some and not others. Perhaps the treatment is patient-specific. Perhaps we have different strains of Cholinergic Urticaria and don’t know it.
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Title: Body Cooling Shirt, Vest, or Moisture Wicking Clothes Help Cholinergic Urticaria
Post by: ldiablosv2000 on December 28, 2008, 06:40:12 PM
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Hello fellow Cholinergic Urticaria sufferers, this is my first post but I have been reading for awhile. Before I developed everyones favorite condition I ran and worked out pretty frequently. But since I started having pins and needles outbreaks it has really put a damper on my exercise. But this morning I woke up and really wanted to work out so I through on one of those underarmor moisture wicking shirts because it was the first thing I saw and then started lifting weights.
I usually last 2-3 exercises before I have to stop because I cant stand the pins and needles. But this morning (and the rest of the day) I didn’t even have the slightest tingle and was able to work out for 2 hours. I kept the shirt on the rest of the day to see if it would continue to give relief and it absolutely did. It felt so great because I couldn’t remember the last time I was able to do much of anything for a prolonged period of time without an outbreak. Im guessing because the shirt pulls the sweat out of you that it helps bypass whatever our problem is. I just wanted to share this and see if it works for anyone else. Good luck and happy new year to everyone
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Title: Re: I found a trick that works for me
Post by: HivesGuy on December 28, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
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Great Post ldiablosv2000, and Welcome to the forum!
That was very interesting about the shirt, and this is something I have considered before. I too usually get hives after my blood starts to really pump during a workout, which is really frustrating since I usually end up stoppping prematurely due to the itching and prickly feeling. Plus I really enjoy exercising and it makes me frustrated that I can’t get a great workout in without hives.
I don’t really know a lot about those wick shirts, and I have never tried one myself. Did you start sweating as soon as you put it on? Does it force the sweat out, or just absorb it? I am definitely interested in knowing how it works.
One thing I have found is that if the sweat can start to come out of the pores, once the sweating has started there is usually no more hives. As you said, it sort of bypasses the reaction. I don’t know why, but I assume perhaps there is something about our sweat getting out of the pore that activates the mast cells and causes the histamine release. When the sweat gets out, the reaction doesn’t happen and the sweat can continue to flow naturally.
It also reminds me of a post I made a while back, when I found an article online of a person who said they cured their Cholinergic Urticaria by turning on a humidifier and heater all night and made themselves hot and sweaty.
So the clothes thing could be another way to keep us sweating, which in turn could help reduce reactions. I wonder if other things like plastic from a poncho, or other clothing that induced sweating could help in this way. Although, I know we would have to be cautions of over-heating and having a heat stroke or something.
Please keep us posted if the shirt continues to work and prevents the hives.
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Title: Re: I found a trick that works for me
Post by: dice on December 29, 2008, 06:32:36 PM
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Hello, I actually purchased one of these about a month ago now:
and you know what… they WORKED!
The only issue though is that after three uses my body seemed to have grown used to it and the itching would start to happen regardless. Who knows, it may have acted as a “placebo” of sorts where my hopes tricked myself into getting rid of the itching whilst wearing it.
I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy though, so I do hope that it’s a more permanent solution.
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Title: Re: I found a trick that works for me
Post by: HivesGuy on December 30, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
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Yeah, I know what you mean about the “placebo” effect. It has happened all to many times to me too. When I was first prescribed anti-histamines, I really thought they were working. It took about a week to realize they didn’t work. I have also got my hopes up thinking a diet was working, lotions, etc. It is quite frustrating really. So now I try to be more cautious and I don’t get too excited because I know Cholinergic Urticaria can go up and down in intensity. All sorts of things can have an affect on it (such as warm humid weather vs. cold weather, etc.).
It is nice knowing about this though, and if it helps to speed up sweating from exercise it may be worth it. Especially since a lot of people on the forum seem to try and work out early to sweat it out for the day.
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Title: Re: I found a trick that works for me
Post by: ldiablosv2000 on January 01, 2009, 03:25:00 PM
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Hey, I just wanted to give a quick update. I tried a couple of experiments to test the effectiveness of the shirting helping my hives. As I said in my first post I was able to lift weights without breaking in hives while wearing a moisture wicking shirt. So I tried lifting weights the next day with a normal cotton T shirt on and it took 5 minutes to get the pins and needles all over to the point where I had to stop. The next day I rode a stationary bike (which is where I had my first attack a couple months ago) with just a normal cotton T shirt on and again, in about 5 minutes I had to stop because of the hives. However, this afternoon I rode the stationary bike again with the moisture wicking shirt on and had almost no hives during a 40 minute 12 mile ride.
I say almost no hives because I did not have any pins and needles on my torso where the shirt was touching but I did get them on my head and neck. But having the hives isolated to just a small portion of the body was actually not that bad because I was used to much worse so I was easily able to push through them. This proves to me that the moisture wicking shirt definitely helps me. I really hope that others on the board can try it and find similar relief for themselves. I find that exercising really reduces the frequency and intensity of the attacks. Here is a link to the type of shirt I wear:
In other news, I have an appointment with an Allergist next week and will ask to be tested for sensitivity to dust mites. Hopefully I will be able to contribute some helpful data to the folks on the board. Thats all I have for now, I hope everyone has a happy hive free new year!
-Steve
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Title: Re: I found a trick that works for me
Post by: HivesGuy on January 02, 2009, 03:55:04 PM
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Thanks for the great update Idiablosv2000!
That is interesting how the shirt is preventing you from breaking out. This is something that definitely could at least help us to control our reactions (at least on our torso).
I hope to try a lot more “sweat therapy” over the course of the next year, and hopefully I will see a big improvement on my hives as well.
The only downside is the shirt can’t prevent the neck/face from itching, but that is still great that it seems to be working on the torso.
Also, good luck on your allergy visit, and thanks for all of the updates! Best of luck and Happy 2009 to you!
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Title: Re: I found a trick that works for me
Post by: Lenton on January 09, 2009, 01:29:10 PM
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I tested some heat methods last night. I sat neck deep in the hot tub for about 15 minutes then started breaking out, it was hell, but I waited it out, but unfortainately the air above the water was still very cold and I never would sweat. So yeah, went through that pain for nothing apparantly.
Then I got on an excersize bike in a very hot room, I probably did that for about 30 minutes, plenty of hives, but no sweat! Am I not doing it long enough?
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Title: Re: I found a trick that works for me
Post by: HivesGuy on January 09, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
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Quote from: Lenton on January 09, 2009, 01:29:10 PM
I tested some heat methods last night. I sat neck deep in the hot tub for about 15 minutes then started breaking out, it was hell, but I waited it out, but unfortainately the air above the water was still very cold and I never would sweat. So yeah, went through that pain for nothing apparantly.
Then I got on an excersize bike in a very hot room, I probably did that for about 30 minutes, plenty of hives, but no sweat! Am I not doing it long enough?
Each person can be different in regards to what level of heat they take before sweating. Personally it takes a long time for me, which is why I tend to not even try it unless it is going to be warm (or I can make it extremely warm and humid). Otherwise I just get really itchy and sweat for a couple of minutes and then I am right back cooled off.
That is why I am mostly waiting until summer, and then I will try to get more sun exposure/sweating on a regular basis. It is simply too cold to do it right now, and it would probably take an hour of intense working out for me in a hot room, and even then it might not happen. Meanwhile hives will be so intense that it probably wouldn’t be worth the torture. In the summer when it gets muggy, this doesn’t usually happen, and instead I can go to sweating fairly quickly.
Just be careful, as it can be draining and even dangerous having reactions. Especially if you feel like you can’t breathe or something.
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Title: In relation to ldiablosv2000 thread…
Post by: andrewoval on January 03, 2010, 09:42:23 AM
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Hello everyone
Just like all of you I to have been suffering from Cholinergic Urticaria for the last couple of months.
Recently i spotted Idiablosv2000 thread and tried to put a couple of things together. For Cholinergic Urticaria, it seems that the body develops some sort resistance towards sweating but with a little help the body can sweat naturally. I took the underarmor shirt idea and altered it to were i was able to manage my Cholinergic Urticaria during workouts.
As ridiculous as this is going to sound it worked for me at least on my upper body. First, I took a trash bag and cut holes in it and wore it during a workout (at home of course) My body was able to naturally release the sweat from the pores. Now, perhaps someone here can explain better than i could but from what i felt the body needs more heat then usual in order for it to sweat properly again.
I wore the trash bag and my body was drenched in sweat and had small puddles of water on the floor. I also had no Cholinergic Urticaria reaction on my upper body and arms but still had reactions on my legs (i couldn’t wrap my legs in the trash bags otherwise i wouldn’t be able to run properly)
Again on my upper body i was able to sweat without any Cholinergic Urticaria breakout but my legs got Cholinergic Urticaria all over. This may not be the best alternative but seeing the results showed me the body needs help with sweating. Because of this i ordered a sauna suit to see if this helps clear out the pores on the rest of my body.
I’ll report my findings at the end of the month so i can exercise on and off with the sauna suit to see if the Cholinergic Urticaria is gone all together without the help of the suit.
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Title: Re: In relation to ldiablosv2000 thread…
Post by: HivesGuy on January 05, 2010, 07:09:35 PM
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Hey Andrewoval,
Excellent post and welcome to the forum.
I had to almost laugh when I read your post because it reminded me of one of my experiments I did about 1 year ago. I put a big heavy jacket on, wrapped a plastic bag around my torso and head, put on thick pants, and tried to workout to force the sweat. I looked so goofy.
My wife still makes fun of me about it to this day because she said I looked ridiculous. But that is the desperation we hives-suffers feel isn’t it? We are often so desperate to cure this, we try anything sometimes. So your post reminded me of myself, and it sounds like we sometimes think the same way.
But that is very interesting how you were able to sweat profusely in the areas where you “bundled up.” I am not sure why this is, but it seems that for some reason with Cholinergic Urticaria, the sweat can escape in a localized area on the body without causing a reaction. However, when the core temperature goes up, that causes immediate reactions.
The same thing happens to me daily. I can use a very hot heating pad on my stomach, back, etc. which gets so hot it causes my skin to turn red….yet doesn’t cause hives. But I can be in a room and if the overall temp. gets to a certain point, even though its not near as hot as the heating pad, it causes hives–just because my built in “thermostat” in my brain sends the signal to release the sweat inducing chemical (which is what causes the hives).
I am interested to see if continuing your regimine does provide some lasting relief, so please keep us updated. Also, be careful not to over-heat, and whatever you do, don’t let anyone see you do this. My wife still mocks me to this day (but in a loving way haha).
I am interested to see if a special suit that induces sweat would help prevent reactions when working out. Sounds like an interested idea, and could make working out a bit more comfy.
Thanks again and good luck,
Hivesguy
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Title: Re: In relation to ldiablosv2000 thread…
Post by: andrewoval on January 05, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
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Thanks hive guy.
I have yet to use the full suit due to family problem that is going on right now (haven’t had the time to do it yet).
But an interesting thing i noticed when i was doing some shopping in old navy today. I mentioned in my previous post that i wrapped only my upperbody and was able to clear out some of my pores. Today while browsing i had my fleece and jacket on at the same time due to the cold outside (live in new england). With my body temperature rising i could feel Cholinergic Urticaria kicking but…. it was only on my legs. I had no reaction on my arms or upper body.
I grabbed a couple of shirts and shorts and went to the changing room. I took off my pants and shirt and checked my body. I had no breakouts at all on my chest, back, abs, or arms… but when i checked my legs, i saw the Cholinergic Urticaria on my calves, and thighs.
It seems that the method helped open up the sweat glands much more efficiently than the body would naturally. Perhaps it could be a placebo effect but I’ve done many things before to try and get rid of it and i never believed in the placebo effect. Not only that but when i did other things it never really worked at all. But w/e it is, it seems that this method helped clear it in localized areas.
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Title: Re: In relation to ldiablosv2000 thread…
Post by: andrewoval on January 27, 2010, 07:11:30 PM
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ok guys, been some time now and unfortunately i didn’t get much time to use the suit since i was in dominican republic. I was in dominican republic 2 days before the giant haiti quake (i’m from new england, i’ve never felt an earthquake before in my life, scary stuff) was there visiting family. Of course you can imagine the warm hot humid air would make me break out immediately but things weren’t so bad. Ok on to some Cholinergic Urticaria experiments. 🙂
First things first, I drank moderately and i can say for sure that drinking some how helps reduce the symptoms. I could sweat naturally even when i got super hot. Something with the alcohol allows the body to sweat naturally. I was able to sweat on my arms, shoulders, and legs without any breakouts at all.
Next, i visited a doctor in the capitol. He was a family friend and my father described to him what my welts looked like. What shocked me was that the doctor knew exactly what my problem was (my doctor here didn’t know anything) without saying how the welts popped up or anything. He described that the welts came when my body temperature rised. Unfortunately he also gave me the bad news to say that there was no cure for this problem. He said this is an inheritated problem i was born with.
Well, after coming back to america the first thing i thought of was how the sauna suit created heat and raised my body temperature without any breakouts during workouts. So i took the same theory on the suana suit and put on 4 sweat shirts and ran. The same result, i had no breakouts at all during the workouts or after as long as i kept the sweat shirts on.
But heres the odd thing, when i took off all the sweat shirts (as well as the suana suit) my skin would breakout the moment it felt cold air.
It’s very odd how this works, I can only workout as long as i created a hot atmosphere over my skin, the moment my skin touched or felt cold air the breakouts would come out.
So far these are my results.
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Title: Body Cooling Shirt, Vest, or Moisture Wicking Clothes Help Cholinergic Urticaria
Post by: EricH on May 24, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
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Hi All, am new to this forum and been having heat induced Urticaria symptoms for about 6 weeks now. It’s making the simplest things like walking to work so difficult at the moment. I have seen a few companies that make ‘body cooling clothing’ (vests with cooling systems in them) and was just wondering if anyone had tried these? Thanks
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Title: Re: Body Cooling Clothing
Post by: HivesGuy on May 25, 2010, 04:47:31 AM
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Hey EricH,
Thanks for the post and welcome to the forum.
I know that one member for sure has tried a cooling “wick” shirt, which is supposed to draw sweat/heat away from the body. It only partially helped, and it only seemed to help in the areas the shirt covered.
I am sure the cooling vests “could” help if they truly cool the body. However, what you have to keep in mind is that Cholinergic Urticaria attacks many random places, such as the face, scalp, neck, arms, torso, and even legs.
So even if someone wore a cooling vest, it would do very little or even nothing to those areas not covered with the “cooling” clothing.
Therefore, it probably isn’t very practical for trying to avoid Cholinergic Urticaria. A more practical approach would probably be to wear very lightweight, thin, and light-colored clothing instead. In addition, you could always carry a squirt bottle or ice pack, or some cooling spray to help abort attacks.
Thanks again for the post and welcome.
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Title: hives where my skin is exposed
Post by: Chrissy on October 28, 2010, 12:30:45 AM
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This week when I went to the gym I noticed that my hives are not all over my body anymore.
I was wearing capri workout pants (halfway up the calf) & did my usual couple of miles walk.
When I sat down to do the weights, I noticed that I only had hives on the parts of my legs that weren’t covered by my pants.
So… my new theory? I don’t really know… I just thought I’d share. Oh & I tried to wear a skintight lycra shirt to work out & had similar results. Hives only on areas that were not covered up.
Maybe this will help someone to start working out again.
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Title: Re: hives where my skin is exposed
Post by: HivesGuy on October 28, 2010, 05:21:48 AM
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That is very interesting. I seem to recall another post made a year or so ago where a person was wearing a “sweat wicking” shirt. They said they only broke out in hives in areas where the shirt wasn’t covering. Interesting. I may try it one day.
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Title: ICE Cold Vests
May 16, 2011, 10:04:18 AM
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Hello everyone
I had this disease for 2 years and just finally got over it a couple months ago and have been living my life so happily and enjoyably the last few weeks but I cant stop to think about all the people that are still suffering from this horrable condition so i have a few things that i use to use that im willing to ship anywhere which is a firefighting ice pack vest which is like a vest filled with ice packs that could maybe help someone if there going outside in the sun in the summer it got me through walks and stuff , and also a NAVY ice pack vest with is basikly the same thing accept it came with ice pack arms , i can give you the ice packs and the vest and a few extra ice packs that come with it . just write me back a reply here for more details.
stay strong everyone.
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Title: Re: Body Cooling Clothing
Post by: Blade_27 on June 13, 2011, 08:04:26 PM
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I sleep in a wet t-shirt it also really helps when working around the home, granted I’m only affected from my neck to my waist.
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Title: Body Cooling Shirt, Vest, or Moisture Wicking Clothes Help Cholinergic Urticaria
Post by: morris77 on November 27, 2011, 11:39:15 PM
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Hey folks,
I’m currently working on my engineering senior design project which is to create a cooling shirt (250 watts of cooling) with digital tympanic temperature display (display is on the sleeve). What do you all think? Would it be useful for you all? Is it worth my time to pursue?
Thank you kindly,
Aaron
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Title: Re: Cooling Shirt with body temperature display
Post by: HivesGuy on November 29, 2011, 04:32:33 AM
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Hello Aaron,
Thanks for your question and welcome to the forum. It certainly seems like it would be an interesting project. I know that there are cooling vests, which seem to use ice packs and so forth already. You said “250 watts), so it seems perhaps you are using some sort of electrical cooling effect. Seems like an interesting idea. Perhaps it could be used by others who want to stay cool??
I personally probably wouldn’t use it at this point, only because I have my hives under control. But like I said, it’s an interesting idea and perhaps it could have a use beyond only being used by Cholinergic Urticaria people??
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Title: Re: Cooling Shirt with body temperature display
Post by: morris77 on November 29, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
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HivesGuy,
Thanks for your input. The cooling mechanism is actually evaporation which is the same as sweating. That’s why I thought it would be a good mode of relief. There is a hydrated water gel that is placed in strategic locations on athletic compression shirt. The 250 watts comes from an estimated evaporation rate at room temperature. The rate varies with body heat, air temp and humidity.
For the temp sensor I thought it would be interesting to see if body temperature and circadian rhythm might be directly associated with the symptoms. Knowing if your body temperature is rising (like in the morning or during the beginning of a workout) or if it’s falling (like in the evening or after a workout) might be helpful.
Thanks for the feedback! I’d be happy to hear yay or nay from anyone 🙂
Aaron
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Title: Re: Cooling Shirt with body temperature display
Post by: VIP on December 03, 2011, 05:30:23 PM
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Do it Aaron!
I’d buy it ;D
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Title: Re: Cooling Shirt with body temperature display
Post by: HivesForDayz on December 04, 2011, 01:07:10 AM
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Crazy it would be like being mr freeze. All i need is an ice cave and some ice hoes lol
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Title: Re: Cooling Shirt with body temperature display
Post by: HivesGuy on December 06, 2011, 04:45:01 PM
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Crazy it would be like being mr freeze. All i need is an ice cave and some ice hoes lol
LOL, yes we can all wear this and use cheesy one-liners like, “Everybody, Chill” and “cool party,” just like Arnold.