Hot Showers Help or Cause Cholinergic Urticaria?
Post by: mazefall on August 16, 2008, 03:21:28 AM
I had a remarked that taking a hot shower would trigger these symptoms( needles and pins) intensely painful more than exercising or been exposed in the sun. before even knowing that i had Cholinergic Urticaria, i soon realized that i these painful, stinging hives came each time i was taking a shower :(, man that sucks.
Did anyone felt things were not right beneath the body during a hot, long shower before even noticing that you got Cholinergic Urticaria ???, hnnn, this might be my 1st clue.
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Title: Re: a hot shower, not so helpful
Post by: billysielu on August 16, 2008, 03:36:08 AM
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Heat is a trigger, we already knew that. It doesn’t mean the heat caused the Cholinergic Urticaria.
I have heard that lots of professional athletes take ice-baths, is this to improve sweating, anyone know?
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Title: Re: a hot shower, not so helpful
Post by: HivesGuy on August 16, 2008, 06:35:28 AM
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Mazefall,
When I first got Cholinergic Urticaria, I did take EXTREMELY hot showers. I used to find them relaxing. And one of the first times I noticed Cholinergic Urticaria was when I got out of the shower & was getting dressed. I then became hot & started getting really itchy and prickly.
But I am not sure if it was just the heat that triggered it from the shower or what. Sometimes I wonder if maybe the hard water I have doesn’t somehow clog my pores or somthing. It can be so bad sometimes that the shampoo bottle can litterally get a white scale on it after only a month or so.
Billysielu,
I believe the reason that athletes take the cold dip is to help their muscles, tendons, etc. repair themsevles & to reduce inflammation. Here is one link from a baseball site explaining that it helps the body recover & reduce symptoms of wear & tear on the body after the physical exertion.
I agree that I wish there was some sort of natural & easy way to keep the body sweating regularly. Because “forcing” sweat during a workout, etc. can be difficult sometimes. Also, a daily sauna/steam room isn’t practical for everyone either, but some people say that helps too.
I wish our pores would just stay wide open!!
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Title: Re: a hot shower, not so helpful
Post by: jga on August 16, 2008, 05:57:10 PM
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maybe we have a weird form of anhidrosis
these two interested me on the list:
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# Nerve Damage: Injuries to the nerves that help control some of the involuntary functions of the autonomic nervous system (which regulates your internal organs, sweat glands, and blood pressure, for instance) can interfere with the activity of your sweat glands. Such nerve damage may be caused by a number of medical problems including gout, B-vitamin deficiency, diabetes, and alcoholism.
# Clogged Ducts: Skin diseases and conditions that can block or clog sweat ducts (a problem called poral occlusion) are the most common causes of anhidrosis. This is, by the way, how antiperspirants work, albeit on a localized and temporary basis.
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Title: Re: a hot shower, not so helpful
Post by: HivesGuy on August 17, 2008, 02:53:39 PM
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Good point JGA about the anhidrosis thing. I have often wondered if perhaps we just have smaller sweat glands, or for some reason they just shut down. So maybe we do have some sort of anhidrosis problem. Maybe we have clogged ducts. Or maybe we do have some kind of genetic neurological disorder & some wires are crossed in our bodies?? LoL. Because having the cholinergic urticaria sure doesn’t feel normal, and there is definitely something happening when we are (supposed to be) sweating.
The only thing is that I can’t find a case online where people with anhidrosis also have Cholinergic Urticaria. It seems people with Cholinergic Urticaria do have a problem sweating, but it may not necessarily be anhidrosis as the cause. I state that simply because it doesn’t list itching/hives as a symptom on most websites about anhidrosis symptoms:
So it appears there are people who have anhidrosis, but don’t have Cholinergic Urticaria along with it. Instead of breaking out in hives (like us) when they get hot, they just pass out from heat exhaustion.
It does mention flushing as a symptom of anhidrosis, but flushing doesn’t always itch. So who knows? But it is for sure that the problem starts when we **should** be sweating. Instead of sweating, our bodies freak out & have an attack. I had a pretty bad one myself today, and man it is so frustrating.
So perhaps we do have a case of anhidrosis? The thing is, what is causing the anhidrosis. That is my biggest frustration. What in the heck causes this? If it goes away for most people at some point, then what caused it in the first place. Why doesn’t everyone have it? ….The twisted mystery of cholinergic urticaria!!!
Thanks again for the great post!
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Title: Hot showers in the morning and Cholinergic Urticaria.
Post by: Duper on October 03, 2008, 10:52:38 PM
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Hey guys, a thought came to me while showering this morning. Immediately jumping in after waking up, I turned the water on to a high temperature and had no problems with hives for at least 15 minutes. This isn’t a singular case, hives simply don’t appear in the morning even when exposed to heat for some reason. Has anyone had any similar experiences or ideas on this why this is so?
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Title: Re: Hot showers in the morning.
Post by: billysielu on October 04, 2008, 12:23:26 AM
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Yeah I use the hot shower in an evening to buy myself a good night’s sleep.
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Title: Re: Hot showers in the morning.
Post by: HivesGuy on October 04, 2008, 04:04:15 PM
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Quote from: Duper on October 03, 2008, 10:52:38 PM
Hey guys, a thought came to me while showering this morning. Immediately jumping in after waking up, I turned the water on to a high temperature and had no problems with hives for at least 15 minutes. This isn’t a singular case, hives simply don’t appear in the morning even when exposed to heat for some reason. Has anyone had any similar experiences or ideas on this why this is so?
I have noticed a breakout in the shower before in the morning hours occasionally, but generally I try to keep the water “luke-warm” as much as possible–so it is hard to tell. I used to love taking SUPER HOT showers before cholinergic urticaria came along, but now I try to do all I can to avoid the painful and annoying itch.
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Title: A Few Observations
Post by: Fal0x on October 07, 2010, 05:22:19 PM
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Hi, I haven’t posted here in awhile but I wanted to note down a few observations that I will be looking for over the next month or so, and I’m pleased to say that I haven’t experienced a CHH attack in a few months, however- I noticed something yesterday morning while I took a really hot shower in the morning, I experienced CHH later that day. Maybe that’s the cause? How many of you take really hot showers? I think it might be what’s causing CCH, I didn’t take a hot shower today and I haven’t felt an attack.
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Title: Re: A Few Observations
Post by: Motion on October 22, 2010, 12:45:50 PM
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You say you hadn’t had an out break for a few months. Were you taking milder showers then?
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Title: It might be the root of the problem…
Post by: shypshnius on January 02, 2011, 06:20:33 AM
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Sup guys,
I have heard that a couple of you really used to enjoy taking hot showers in order to relax (or i dunno,perhaps you just prefered hot water) before the Cholinergic urticaria had appeared. I am not an exception as well, i had been also taking especially hot showers before UD visited me because they had really helped me to relax. And what is actually weird that my father had UD at my age too (im 18 though) and he also loved to stay in a hot showers every evening before Cholinergic Urticaria appeared to him. At that time, approximately in 1990 my father had gone to the best doctor at his town and he had been diagnosed with Cholinergic Urticaria. He had suggested my father doing shower procedures every evening and check it out if it helps. Those procedures were to take a shower every evening, but not a warm one or just hot. He actually needed to pour a hot shower on himself for like 20 seconds and then quickly switch to cold water and repeat that a couple of times… And you know what? That actually helped him and he has been completely cured since then. Um, i just forgot to ask him how long had he been doing those procedures for. I guess it had taken him like a couple of months or so. Anyone else had tried something like that?
Sorry for my poor English once more :/
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Title: Re: It might be the root of the problem…
Post by: hieveryone on January 02, 2011, 10:47:36 AM
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Hi shypshnius, interesting post. This topic has been talked about some times on this forum, and I also loved to take very hot showers before Cholinergic Urticaria. My question is: would only cold water work or it has to be hot and then hot water. If the 20 secs of hot water are needed, what do you mean by hot, VERY hot or only warm. I’ll try this becouse it’s not a difficult thing, I only have to remember (well, I don’t like cold water in the shower, and less before I go to sleep that is when I take it, but let’s do the effort). Thx!
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Title: Re: It might be the root of the problem…
Post by: shypshnius on January 02, 2011, 11:10:16 AM
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Quote from: hieveryone on January 02, 2011, 10:47:36 AM
Hi shypshnius, interesting post. This topic has been talked about some times on this forum, and I also loved to take very hot showers before Cholinergic Urticaria. My question is: would only cold water work or it has to be hot and then hot water. If the 20 secs of hot water are needed, what do you mean by hot, VERY hot or only warm. I’ll try this becouse it’s not a difficult thing, I only have to remember (well, I don’t like cold water in the shower, and less before I go to sleep that is when I take it, but let’s do the effort). Thx!
Well i don`t even know if those procedures would work for others… Well as i had mentioned the doctor suggested to pour hot (and by hot i mean water which is more hot than warm). And i don`t exactly know how long do you need to pour hot water on you before changing to cold. Gonna ask my father how he had been doing, hopefully he will be able to remember those details.
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Title: My story – 6 weeks in
Post by: Claudia on April 20, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to introduce myself before I dive headfirst into all the wonderfully informative threads and articles on this website. 😉
My story
About two months ago, I took an unusually hot shower since it was still pretty cold in my area. As I was stepping out of the shower, I felt a tingling/itchiness on the soles of my feet. It lasted for maybe an hour two, but then went away. Six weeks ago, I woke up with welts all over my arms.
Side note: I’m anemic so I’m cold almost all the time. I used to sleep with two comforters over me, a thick robe, and 2 or more layers of clothing — I know, overkill LOL.
But ever since then, I’ve woken up with a heat rash and couldn’t figure out why… until yesterday. I’d been out for most of the day, and decided to take a short (45-minute) nap. I got under my two comforters virtually symptom free, and woke up with a swollen eye — the side that I sleep on — half of my face covered in welts — same side, and a body covered in red, itchy welts.
This was my ‘AHA!’ moment. Although it was daunting thinking about all the maneuvering I’d have to do to avoid heat, it was also liberating since I knew what was causing me to breakout.
Anywho, I hope this wasn’t too long lol. I’m really excited to learn about how to get rid of this condition. I have high hopes that I can do it, and I am gaining inspiration and comfort from you all knowing that I’m not alone, and that I’m not helpless to this condition.
Thanks for reading!
~ Claudia